{"id":19308,"date":"2016-07-01T13:15:32","date_gmt":"2016-07-01T07:45:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/officechai.com\/?p=19308"},"modified":"2016-07-02T11:43:37","modified_gmt":"2016-07-02T06:13:37","slug":"the-man-whos-worked-at-facebook-google-adobe-microsoft-and-apple","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/officechai.com\/stories\/the-man-whos-worked-at-facebook-google-adobe-microsoft-and-apple\/","title":{"rendered":"This Man Has Worked At Google, Microsoft, Adobe, FB, And Apple"},"content":{"rendered":"

Software Engineer at Facebook<\/span><\/p>\n

IoS Developer at Apple<\/span><\/p>\n

Software Engineer at Adobe<\/span><\/p>\n

Senior Software Engineer At Google<\/span><\/p>\n

Technical Staff at Microsoft<\/span><\/p>\n

This is Edward Kandrot’s resume.\u00a0<\/span>Most people aspire to work at one top company in their careers. Kandrot has worked at 5 of them. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

After starting out his career as a computer programmer back in the 1990’s, and inventing technology that was way ahead of its time, Edward went on to land a coveted job at Google, followed soon after with gigs at Apple, Adobe, Microsoft and finally Facebook, spanning 30 odd years.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Nearing 50 now, Edward seems to have settled on to working on his own software startup in San Jose now, but he has some brilliant career insights and advice to share with the rest of us, thanks\u00a0to his 30 years of working in the best tech companies of our generation.<\/span><\/p>\n

We tracked him down, and asked him about his career, about his illustrious employers and his career trajectory. Here’s an excerpt from his interview with OfficeChai.<\/span><\/p>\n

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On getting the job<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

“Knowing someone within the company is key.”<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Knowing someone within the company is key.\u00a0 I have only ever gotten one job where I didn’t know someone, Facebook.\u00a0 And that required them finding someone internally to be my advocate.\u00a0 Practice interviewing as much as possible – when I was looking, I scheduled as many interviews per week with as many companies as I could.\u00a0 I spent Wed, Thurs, and Fri at Apple interviewing with different teams, 7+ hours a day.\u00a0 Most interviewers ask the same questions, so the more one interviews, the better one does, as well as the more comfortable one is in the format (ie standing at a whiteboard, someone that will almost never happen once one is hired).\u00a0 Usually trick questions with the interviewer having one answer in mind, because they have asked that same question to a hundred candidates before you.\u00a0 I’ve never been asked an engineering question, even though that is mostly what you will be doing.<\/span><\/p>\n

What I try to get out of the interview is what the company is like, what the team is like, and what the people are like.\u00a0 What kind of engineering practices do they have?\u00a0 Source control?\u00a0 State of the source code base?\u00a0 Project shipping criteria?\u00a0 Which languages do they code in or allow?\u00a0 Hours people normally work, do they eat lunch as a team, do the people seem friendly – ie could you see yourself spending 8-ish hours a day with them, every day.<\/span><\/p>\n

On compensation and perks<\/b><\/span><\/h2>\n

“The problem is that the campus was so large that it was hard to avail oneself of all of them. “<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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Apple, Google, and Facebook all paid me about the same, when taking into account base salary, stock, and bonuses.\u00a0 Adobe was about half of that.\u00a0 Microsoft was half of Adobe.\u00a0 The distribution of money varies for each company, but averaging over 4 years (due to vesting of stocks) is how I came up with those numbers, even though I never saw most of it, it is what I would have made over 4 years.\u00a0 Some had bigger bonuses, some had a lot more stock (most of which one doesn’t see unless one stays at least two years).\u00a0When I was at Google, it seemed that they had the best perks.\u00a0 The problem is that the campus was so large that it was hard to avail oneself of all of them.\u00a0 Facebook has a great set of perks with the newest building – a nice garden on the roof (I have a YouTube video of me walking around it), higher quality of food than Google, and much friendly people.\u00a0 Apple has an employee purchase program which allows one to get Apple hardware at a discount, and they have much better parties than any other place (better food, better bands, etc).\u00a0 Microsoft had a lot of activities for employees on campus – they had their own theatre group so if you want to try your hand at acting, they had something for you, for example.\u00a0 And a lifetime discount on Microsoft software.\u00a0 Adobe has loyal users (which made going to Photoshop conference an amazing experience) because Adobe puts a lot care into their products as well as their employees careers.\u00a0 Located downtown San Jose made it very easy to walk to lunch at many places (since they have no free food there, it is a must).\u00a0 These are just some highlights, of course perks keep evolving as companies do.<\/span><\/p>\n

On work culture<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>\n

“Apple used to be quite the “hippie” place back when it was started.”<\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Companies have personalities just like people do, usually it is similar to the founder’s.\u00a0 Just like there are some people who you might not get along with, the same is true about a company.\u00a0 For example, Apple used to be quite the “hippie” place back when it was started, but as upper management changed, so did the culture\/personality, yet it still retains much of it, such as high levels of secrecy and lots of alcohol and parties, while some places do not allow alcohol or parties.\u00a0 Places like Facebook where the executives swear casually most anytime in any meeting, or other places where that could get you fired or at least a meeting with HR.<\/span><\/p>\n

Some companies want it to be perfect – Adobe was all about pixel accurate, while Facebook is all about getting something done now quickly, because it might not be used long and there are tons of other projects that need your help\/time.<\/span><\/p>\n

Some companies are about individual growth, like Adobe has two weeks of classes per year they encourage you to take (from a vast catalog of useful categories like conflict resolution, career planning, or about the latest technologies).<\/span><\/p>\n

Some companies encourage you to change teams (like Facebook) or work with others (like Google and Facebook) or to stay on the same team (like Microsoft and Adobe and Apple).<\/span><\/p>\n

Dig it, fix it, or split.\u00a0 Every company has things you like and things you do not.\u00a0 If you like the company, excellent!\u00a0 If there are things that are bothering you and you are thinking of leaving because of them, try very hard to fix them.\u00a0 If all of that fails, leave – there are plenty of other companies, you need to find one that matches you, sticking around doesn’t do anyone anyone any good.<\/span><\/p>\n

On team dynamics<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

“Do the people eat together?”<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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Does the team go to lunch together?\u00a0 At Apple, for example, because of the levels of secrecy, one can not talk to anyone else within the company about work except your team, so teams tend to eat together.\u00a0 Places like Facebook with free food all of the time, people tend to eat by themselves or with some friends they make there.\u00a0 How the company does things will determine how you will interact with people in general.<\/span><\/p>\n

Being an advocate for the company<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

“Use the company’s products”<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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I didn’t use Facebook much at all (like never-ish) until I started interviewing there, then once I started working there, I used it non-stop.\u00a0 While at NVIDIA, I would buy every graphics card that we shipped, and the special laptops, 3D monitors, etc.\u00a0 Once I started at Microsoft, bought a Windows PC and stopping using my Mac.\u00a0 Use the company’s products.\u00a0 By working somewhere, you are putting your name on it, you should be embarrassed if the products suck.\u00a0 So I want to make sure that everything is the best it can be, because as an insider, you have more access to the people who can fix or make things better for the customers.<\/span><\/p>\n

Adding value<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

“I will only work somewhere if I think they will get a return on investment”<\/em><\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I have a passion for performance.\u00a0 As I see it, the only thing we are born into this world with is time – one can make more money, but not more time.\u00a0 So I want to see computers make people’s lives easier as well as make the programs run faster.\u00a0 If I can make a program used by millions or billions of people a few seconds faster, then I’ve saved the equivalent of many people’s lifetimes.\u00a0 Also, since much of our\u00a0energy\u00a0comes from\u00a0coal, etc, ever cycle saved means less energy used, means less pollution.\u00a0 Besides all of that, I will only work somewhere if I think they will get a return on investment – that I can make or save the company at least 2x my total compensation.\u00a0 If not, their money would be better invested elsewhere.<\/span><\/p>\n

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It is all about the people<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

“Be courteous and friendly. Word gets around that people are hard to work with, and get stuck somewhere.”<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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Learning to talk with people – make sure there are no surprises in scheduling, delivering what a manager wants, yet making sure your own interests are looked after.\u00a0 Negotiate with others, because even if you have all of the logical evidence, it might not go your way, so plan on a give and take, even though it might be suboptimal.\u00a0 Be courteous and friendly – I know many people stuck because even though they are great at their job, word gets around that they are hard to work with, and get stuck somewhere.<\/span><\/p>\n

How they stack up<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

“Facebook had great food, nothing nearby there, very loud environment, but very open and friendly – the people there really care for each other. “<\/em><\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

In general, all of these companies had great things about them.\u00a0 Adobe was like family and is downtown with lots of things nearby (ie their cafe sucks, but lots of local restaurants).\u00a0 Access to advanced imaging technology via connections to local Universities, onsite demos of research that is years out, etc.\u00a0 Facebook had great food, nothing nearby there, very loud environment, but very open and friendly – the people there really care for each other.\u00a0 Microsoft is a very competitive environment – they would have a few products internally doing the same thing, the best one would win\/ship, it is what drives them to be the best in the market.\u00a0 Google has so many different projects – once inside, one has full access to everything (or at least used to – anyone could shut down all of the servers (I think they stopped that now), because once you are there, they trust you with everything).\u00a0 Easy to get lost in the shuffle, one has to allocate time to build an internal name for oneself.\u00a0 Apple trusts no one – I didn’t even know the project I was hired for for over a day, until they got approval to tell me.\u00a0 But once you are on the team, the team is everything.\u00a0 If you want to leave the team for another within Apple, you have to re-interview.\u00a0 Apple has a lot of gatherings and parties and is willing to spend money to fix things, get you the equipment you need, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n

I’ve never selected where to work based on how famous a place is. \u00a0Challenging problems with commiserate compensation is all I seek – I just like solving hard to “impossible” problems.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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